Male Basenji around newly-born puppies

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  • Chealsie508C

    Did you say your basenji's are kept outside?…Like all the time? If so, does that mean the puppies will be outside too?

    "I know I've found the breed for me because he totally turns my life upside down and I love it!"

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  • R

    Yes, they are kept outside, in a walled backyard. We live in Mexico, so cold weather is not much of an issue. Although I am planning on keeping her and the puppies inside the house once they are born, at least for the first weeks.

    The thing is that there is not a person watching them 24/7, so it will be difficult to be there the exact moment the puppies are born, and I don't want to have the puppies inside the house for too long; hence my question, can a male Basenji be around a female Basenji at the time the puppies are born, and anytime thereafter.

    I want to have peace of mind in the next couple of days. One option is to leave Fezzan at my parent?s place and just wait for the puppies to be born and take them inside the house, but I don?t want Mara to get too stressed during her last stage of pregnancy.

    Thanks.

    Rodrigo

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  • lvossL

    In order to raise well socialized puppies that are able to be placed as pets and not likely develop behavior issues that will cause them to be dumped by their new owners, mother and puppies should be raised indoors around bustling household activity for at least 8 weeks.

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  • Patty MP

    Hi Rodrigo,
    Welcome! While I've never been around puppies, there are several caring breeders on here that can give you insight and recommendations… I understand your concerns about leaving them alone during the day, so to me, it makes sense to have your mother care for your girl until she gives birth. Once they puppies are here, do you have plans for their care during the day? I don't know what's involved, because I've never had puppies :), but hopefully, someone here can guide you in the right direction.

    There are some people on here that learned about breeding before they bred their dogs...and you have a huge learning curve with this litter.... so this may be a good example of putting the cart before the horse, lol. Stick around for some great advice that will benefit your dogs!:)

    "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

    ~George Bernard Shaw

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  • ShannaniganS

    Paco came from a litter that was raised outdoors; first on a concrete patio and then moved to a large pen on the grass as the pups got bigger. I believe the father was separated from the mother and litter as they grew.

    We got Paco at 8 weeks and took him e-v-e-r-y-w-h-e-r-e with us. And gave him lots of (supervised) space in the apartment. He's a good dog, though he prefers to do his "number twos" on solid surfaces like concrete rather than in grass or dirt. :/

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  • tanzaT

    It is highly recommend that a human be present at the time of birth, things can go wrong. The bitch should be in a quiet secure area and not have other dogs around. If she is protecting her pups and is trying to keep the male away, accidents resulting in killing the pups is very highly possible. Or if the male decides to kill the pups…

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • nomrbddgsN

    Or, the female decides to eat the pups-yes, it happens. I would never leave a bitch alone who is about to whelp pups. As Pat says, things can go wrong.

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • R

    Thank you everyone for your posts.

    Ironic (or funny) as it may sound, as I made my way to finding this blog and subscribe in order to seek advice on Basenjis, Mara was giving birth to her pups, with Fezzan around her and no one to supervise (so much for my calculations).

    The good news is that everything went perfectly well. I went home after work and found Mara and Fezzan waiting for me at the backyard?s door. I noticed Mara's huge belly was gone so I ran to her crate and there they were, 5 perfectly healthy puppies (2 males and 3 females). All cleaned-up and sleeping. Just perfect.

    It seems that Fezzan's presence during her giving birth did not affect Mara or the puppies. Fezzan seemed agitated, but in a positive way.

    I did notice that every time Fezzan tried to get near the puppies Mara would growl so, as I should have known, nature takes care of situations like this.

    I took Mara and the pups inside the house and stayed until 2 am around them, making sure all of them were fed.

    There's a lot of work for me during the next weeks.

    Thanks again.
    Rodrigo

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  • nomrbddgsN

    Good luck Rodrigo! I'm sure you'll enjoy them.

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • khanisK

    I disagree with both Pat and Lisa on this one.
    I can guraantee that neither of you could pick out which of my dogs was NOT raised inside the house.
    Mexico is warm and the setting is completely different from where you and I live.
    Please feel free to email me at bennyburnerbono at aol dot com and I can give you lots of info that would be suited to your situation.

    I didn't see any other posts… what is the pedigree on your Bs?

    Kathy Britton

    Khani's Basenjis

    Portland, Oregon

    ….."You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me!"

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  • lvossL

    The reason for being indoors is not because they need to be indoors it is because they need socialization, they need to be around human beings and the normal activity of a household. Puppies who are not raised around the normal noises and activities that they are likely to encounter in a household have been shown time and again to adjust less well and sometimes not at all to living in a household.

    This opinion is based on research done by animal behavior specialists.

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  • R

    Hi Kathy,

    Thank you for your post.

    The female has the international pedigree certificate (blue), and it has the seal of the FCI (Federation Cynologique Internationale). It's issued by the Federacion Canofila Mexicana.

    The male has a national certificate that certifies it's a purebred.

    I am not quite sure how pedigrees work, as you can tell.

    Best,

    Rodrigo

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  • lvossL

    What are the registered names of you dogs? Are they in Sally's pedigree database, http://pedigrees.zandebasenjis.com?

    Did you get fanconi testing done on the parents before the breeding?

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  • BasenjimammaB
    Houston

    Congratulations Rodrigo..what a surprise to come home to. Glad it all worked out. WIll you keep any of them? Do you have potential buyers for the puppies?

    Petra and Pippin

    with Otis in my heart…

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  • Rita JeanR

    Been long time but Ivoss I do so go with you. Puppies need to hear indoor sounds and be held and loved. Nothing wrong when they are older going out for a while to learn outdoor sounds. However I am willing to bet at least one if not more go were it is cold and they cannot stay outdoors. That means they need indoor life from a baby so they do not end up in a dump or kill shelter beause the new owner could not handle the puppy because it did not like house sounds. I wish you the best good luck but for the puppies please keep them in the house.

    Rita Jean

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  • R

    I had no idea there was as database with pedigree information on Basenjis. This is great to know.

    Fezzan's pedigree does appear there. It says: "Pedigree of Fezzan Vorobieva, Brindle & White, Male, Mexico, 23 Dec 2007."

    Mara's pedigree is not listed. Looking at her international pedigree certificate, she is registered as "Iman (Sanchez) Mex. FCI., Mexico, 28 Dec 2008." Any idea as to why her pedigree would not be listed in this website?

    I did not get fanconi testing on the parents; I did not even know such test existed.

    I do not plan on keeping them. I will need to start looking for potential buyers, but I think it's going to be tough finding them a good home. Basenjis are not well known in Mexico.

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  • lvossL

    Her pedigree would not be there if no one submitted her litter information to the site owner.

    If you provide the sire's name and dam's name, I can submit her information to Sally to be included in the next upload.

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  • R

    Thank you Ivoss. I appreciate it.

    Sire: Siscos Durham in My Past (Brindle & White)
    Dam: Kenya (Sanchez) MEX.FCI. (Red & White)

    I also have information on two more generations (backwards), in case it's useful.

    Mara's color is red & white, and her registered name is Iman (Sanchez) Mex.FCI. She was born in Mexico, the 28th of December, 2008.

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  • DebraDownSouthD

    Please read up on responsible breeding, place those puppies on spay/neuter contracts, and spay and neuter your pets. If you aren't knowledgeable enough to know about pedigrees, health testing and genetics, please don't breed. You seem like you love the dogs, so do the right thing for the breed.

    Debra

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  • Chealsie508C

    …and get them tested, read up on Fanconi and if you have questions don't be afraid to ask them... people may not be happy that you haven't fanconi tested the parents because the puppies could become affected as well; it is a horrible thing but we would rather you ask the questions now than not at all. And by "all"- I mean both your two dogs and ALL the puppies need to be tested..please..please and please again

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