African Exhibition at National
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I don't know, but would be interested in the answer.
Sharon - are you going to the National - and will miss Wheat be entered in the AF Exhibition, seeing as she is full AF?
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I so wish I had the $$ to go to the national this year..BUT Miss Wheat will be there with Lisa Saban and the other 3 african's that were brought over this year…
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Starting from the full African, I think you just take the "average" for each successive generation of breeding. So for an example, if the sire is 25% and dam is 50% and you get the percentage of 37.5% African for the offspring. Not sure what the rules are for the exhibition though.
The highest percentage of one of mine is ~1.5%. He just has one African in the pedigree within 10 generations. I just halfed each generation.
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If you tell me who your dog is I can tell you what their Af percentage is.
My recent pups are 34.37% New Avongara and will be elgible for the ASE at Nationals (not this year as they are too young, but next year).
Sire is 31.25%, grandma Sage was 62.50%, great grandma was 25%, great grandpa was 100%
Mom is 37.50%, grandma Feigh is 65.62%, great grandma was 100%, great grandpa was 31.25%.
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I find this all very interesting and am so jealous of those who are able to attend and see all the Africanswhether full or no!
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Oops! Forgot to say V's dad is 9.375% which needs to be added to Grandma Feigh's 65.62% making up V's 37.50%.
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If you tell me who your dog is I can tell you what their Af percentage is.
My recent pups are 34.37% New Avongara and will be elgible for the ASE at Nationals (not this year as they are too young, but next year).
Sire is 31.25%, grandma Sage was 62.50%, great grandma was 25%, great grandpa was 100%
Mom is 37.50%, grandma Feigh is 65.62%, great grandma was 100%, great grandpa was 31.25%.
Thx Linda…at the time I posted the question I wasn't actually thinking of any of my dogs - I was just curious about how it was calculated. Especially considering driving from Maine - Colorado for the National seems a big undertaking time wise for me. :)
...but now that you offer :D, would you do the percentage for Timar-Eldorado Black Sabbath. Would you mind doing it the same way that you did your kids: pup percentage and then broken down by Sire & Dam...
Thx! Kim
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Wow Kim - pretty convoluted pedigree with regards to the Avongara influence. :O)
If I did my math correct and I caught every Avongara blend - below are all the blends in your pups pedigree and their percentages.
Sire's side:
Eldorado N Akuaba Never Say Never 6.25%
Am-Ch Eldorado's Bejeweled 12.5%
Kibushi Spellbinder-Niger 50%
Am-Ch Eldorado's Barcelona 25%
SIRE: Eldorado's Akuaba One More Time 3.125+20.31= 23.435%
Kibushi Get Sirius 50%
Am-Ch Eldorado's Adonis 25%
Am-Ch Eldorado's Ooh-La-La 12.5+28.125 = 40.62
Am-Ch Eldorado's Hocus Pocus 50+6.25 = 56.25%
Sunkis Dream Weaver To El Dorado 12.5%
Kibushi Labrea 50%
Cin-Jas Sunkiss Splash 25%PUPPY: Timar-Eldorado Black Sabbath 11.71+ 25.00 = 36.71%
Dam's side:
Timar's Mushika 50+12.5= 62.5%
Am-Ch Timar's Renaissance 25%
Akuaba Free Spirit At Timar 50%
DAM: Timar-Bluestone Jessamine 18.75+31.25= 50.00
Reveille Pilgrim 50%
Bluestone's Lost N Found 12.5 + 25 = 37.5%
Bluestones King O Pride Rock 50%
Bluestones China Rose 25%
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OMG - Thanks Linda! Your post is fantastic!
This is really cool, and thank you so much for figuring it out. Yes, definitely convoluted - which is no wonder my own calculations were off when I tried it myself yesterday. ;) I can see where I goofed though, so thanks for such a clear post. It was fairly clear on the Mom's side (which I had correct), but not so clear on the Sire's side. :D :eek:
So now, back to the question about the ASE. What are the rules/requirements around entering a dog - is it simply off percentage only or is it meant for maybe a more straight forward pedigree. Is there somewhere that the rules are posted?
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I do not think there has ever been any discussion re: whether or not entry is based off percentage or a more straight forward pedigree. I assume too it would have to be changed per the NSOC if a change is needed, asked for etc.
I know of other people who have entered where the pedigree was not as straight forward. What I would do is on the 3 generation pedigree you need to send in, I woud note the pwercentages of the dogs so they can see where it is coming down from. This is what I plan to do with my current litter.
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Thanks Linda…great info!! I'm going to talk with Jean, his breeder, this weekend and go over all of this so we can figure out a game plan.
BTW, I meant to say earlier that I've really enjoyed your articles on your website. I found the article about Breed Standard particularly interesting.
Oh, and are you going to National this year?
Again, I can't thank you enough for taking the time to figure all this out. :)
Kim
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You ate most welcome. Glad I could be of some help. And thanks for the nice words re: my articles and website.
Yes, I will be at Nationals as I the Specialty Treasurer. Besides which, I can not miss out on doing all the various performance events, practically in my own back yard!
Perhaps I will see you there.
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Thanks Linda…great info!! I'm going to talk with Jean, his breeder, this weekend and go over all of this so we can figure out a game plan.
BTW, I meant to say earlier that I've really enjoyed your articles on your website. I found the article about Breed Standard particularly interesting.
Oh, and are you going to National this year?
Again, I can't thank you enough for taking the time to figure all this out. :)
Kim
I haven't been on the forum a lot lately, but did you get another dog? Missed that if you did.
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I haven't been on the forum a lot lately, but did you get another dog? Missed that if you did.
Yes, I did add another b. The girls ended up having to be separated so I added Ozzy (Timar-Eldorado Black Sabbath) :D. Ozzy & Aaliyah now run together and Ruby & Brando run together. I haven't posted an intro on him as I've been super busy and need to take some pics.
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Congrats! And a b/w too.
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Congrats! And a b/w too.
Welcome to the club. :)Thx Clay. I'm very happy - Ozzy is quite a cool character :D. Hey, are you going to the National?
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Thx Clay. I'm very happy - Ozzy is quite a cool character :D. Hey, are you going to the National?
Yep, I'm planning to go. At least I'm 95% sure. If I were lucky enough to finish Zoni before then, I might not.
