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  • tanzaT

    http://www.pawnation.com/2010/05/06/labradoodle-creator-has-massive-regrets-over-the-craze-he-starte/

    Interesting comments from the man who first crossed a Lab with a Poodle

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • nobarkusN

    People do wacko things don't they. He had this good intention that had a purpose and he carefully breed it then people hear of it and go crazy mixing any thing up that sounds good with poodle. I guess Basenji doesn't go good with poodle thank God. Pooenji, Basoodle.

    Buddy, Paolo and Dan

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  • tanzaT

    @nobarkus:

    People do wacko things don't they. He had this good intention that had a purpose and he carefully breed it then people hear of it and go crazy mixing any thing up that sounds good with poodle. I guess Basenji doesn't go good with poodle thank God. Pooenji, Basoodle.

    I am sure someone will try it… there was a person on the east coast that was going to start the "latest fad" with American Esk dogs crossed with Basenjis.... yikes.... this was about 10yrs ago and thank goodness they changed their minds when it didn't take off like they thought it would. These were also the people that "highjacked" the Cambria name as they were connected somehow with the "breeder" in So. California that used it all the time until it was officially retired by AKC on the request of BCOA

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • MacPackM

    Thanks, interesting article.

    Anne in Tampa

    Chipley, Missy & Lucky

    Topper, Nicky & Eddie in the clouds

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  • P

    I had an enquiry for a stud from a man who wanted to use my Basenji on his Lakeland bitch!!! I refused immediately - this could have been a lethal cross!

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  • agilebasenjiA

    @Patty:

    I had an enquiry for a stud from a man who wanted to use my Basenji on his Lakeland bitch!!! I refused immediately - this could have been a lethal cross!

    what on earth for? i mean, i know "puppies" but why those two breeds?

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  • P

    He considered trhat the combination would create a 'super' hunter!

    He was probably correct!

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  • tanzaT

    There was a breeder in AZ that was crossing Basenjis with Fox Terriers (and registering them as Basenjis)… to make them faster and more aggressive for lure coursing. And was mixing Whippets and Basenjis too.... Had a couple of litter registrations pulled by AKC a few year back... but had also sold many of the pups in the AZ area. One of which made its way to the East coast and is being used for breeding Basenjis and those litters are being registered too. Pictures of the pups are clearly that the pups are mixed particularly by the coloring of the pups and the head shapes.

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • misspodhradskyM

    thanks for the info!that is horrible! Who do people INSIST on creating mutts and selling them as purebreds! That makes me so angry!!

    Miss Podhradsky

    Basenji owner/lover since 2002

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  • KipawaK

    Good info - thanks for posting. A couple of nights ago I watched a show on National Geographic channel about how the real purebred dogs have been changed over the course of many years. It showed German Shepherds, and how this 'specialized' (ahem) breeding has created the huge downward slope on the lower back of the dog. It showed some of the GSs with this accentuated slope, and how difficult walking is for these dogs. That is one of the things I really like about the Basenji - they have remained rather true to form. I really stand against the whole designer dog practice of breeding. These people do nothing for the better of the breeds they are crossing.

    Fran Harder, BAB

    With Barney in my heart

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  • ibi_n_saneI

    I do not get these designer hybrids anyway, and the amount of money they ask for them!! outragious!!

    wasnt there some years ago, something like the "american barkless dog" as well? some basenji hybrid? but it appeared they werent barkless after all?

    I have this scientific book on dogs and for some scientific studies they also crossed basenjis with ****er spaniels , it turned out they all could bark. BUt these werent the so called american barkless dogs. this book dated from the 60-ies and that american barkless dog form way later.

    If I call you names, please note that I am not suffering the Tourette syndrom.

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