@elbrant and all of you thanks!
Aggression to another female.
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I'm not sure how CM is using it but many people use it as a distraction, to break a dog's focus off of another dog. Once the dog's focus is broken it will start to relax and then you can praise it for ignoring the other dog.
He initially pairs it with a jerk on the dog's neck…and then later, all he needs to do is "ssstt" and has the dog's attention.
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I tend to like Victoria Stilwell over CM if we are referring to TV trainers. She dealt with several examples of dog-dog aggression on her show and was able to ease tensions between the dogs. No neck jerks. However, I believe in most but if not all of the more severe cases when the dogs occupied the same home, she cautioned the owners not to leave the two unsupervised.
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Agh, I just wrote this long paragraph about Lady and Raven and then my computer froze and I lost it. How frustrating. Anyway, the whole point was I've been working with them a lot and I think Lady is getting better. I have some pictures of them playing to share. They actually played tug-of-war with this toy! They both had a hold on it, Lady laid down on her back and Raven pulled her a few feet. It was SO funny. Of course they stopped when I tried to sneak in the house to get the camera.
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I tend to like Victoria Stilwell over CM if we are referring to TV trainers. She dealt with several examples of dog-dog aggression on her show and was able to ease tensions between the dogs. No neck jerks. However, I believe in most but if not all of the more severe cases when the dogs occupied the same home, she cautioned the owners not to leave the two unsupervised.
I agree….I like her a lot too!
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Ugh, never mind. They got in another fight last night just as I was letting my guard down. I'm going to have to find a new home for Lady. If she keeps picking fights, Raven is going to seriously hurt her.
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If Lady has been there longest, why is she the one that is going to be rehomed? You brought Raven into her home, upset her routine, and put her in a situation that she is uncomfortable.
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I think it might be a mistake to assume that Lady is picking the fights. Lady was there first, correct? And Raven was brought in recently? Raven could very well be testing Lady attempting to gain status in the pack. And Lady is simply reacting to the threat…ya know...kinda the 'one who swings second, is always the one that gets caught' syndrome.
Is there a reason that you would place Lady, instead of Raven? Of course, that is your choice. If it were my household, I would most likely place one (or keep them separate) as I hate living with that kind of stress and tension, of what will set off the next fight. And at our house, seniority has its privledges. If you do feel like Lady needs to be the one to go, please contact BRAT, they will help you find a forever home for her.
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Great minds think alike, Lisa
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Because Raven is a better fit for our family than Lady is.
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Ugh, never mind. They got in another fight last night just as I was letting my guard down. I'm going to have to find a new home for Lady. If she keeps picking fights, Raven is going to seriously hurt her.
Why would Lady be the one to go? She was there first, correct? And since you are not "privy" to dog language… how do you know that it is Lady that picks the fights?
In my house, last in, first goes... if it becames necessary... and I have had times that I had to place one of mine due to fighting and not getting along with another bitch in the house. It was the youngest that was placed...
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Because Raven is a better fit for our family than Lady is.
Well I hope that you contact BRAT for her placement. I think it is a shame that you are giving up on the one that has been there the longest….
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I knew you guys wouldn't agree with me; and I'm sorry for that. I checked out the BRAT website, and it looks like like they want $100 to place her? Is that right? I would definately prefer to have her go to someone who can appreciate the Basenji breed. She would be a wonderful dog in a one-dog home. She's potty trained, doesn't chew things up, doesn't wreck the yard, etc. You just can't crate her; she'll ruin a crate; even a metal one.
As far as who's picking the fights … Lady will growl when Raven is walking by and then just jump her and it goes from there.
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Oh, I also wanted to mention the other reason why I feel Lady is the one at fault (in the fights) is because in her previous home she fought with ALL of the other dogs, but the other dogs didn't fight with each other.
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I looked at the form on the BRAT website. I believe she is purebred, but I don't have any documentation of that. I need to get her immunizations dates from my vet before I can fill it out. If it won't cost me much money, I don't mind placing her through BRAT. I could give a small donation.
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It sure as heck should not cost you to have BRAT place her.
They will bring in a fee when placing her anyways.
You can also contact one of the several BCOA breeders in TX that do rescue.
She sounds like a dog that needs to be in an only dog home.
Just the info from her previous home suggested that.
I am shocked that you would have considered adding another dog knowing that she already was dog-agressive.
The thing with Lady is that you have NO idea what her homelife has always been. People that place dogs up for re-homing never tell all the story.
Lots of times it makes them look bad and they just want the dog in another home.
Don't bother flaming me as I have done more than enough rescue to know that this is true.
Sounds like Lady would love a home with a family with someone home all day to dote on her and allow her to be a princess.
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Well, at first we thought the fighting at the previous home was because of the other dogs because there was only conflict with our small dog for about 2 days. But, now I'm thinking she has no problem with him because he's small, male and neutered and an incredibly submissive dog. Now, I think she is a mildly aggressive dog who wants to be the alpha dog. I think you are 100% right that she needs to be an only dog with people who can allow her to be the princess she thinks she is. I'll fill out that BRAT form as best I can and we'll see what happens from there.
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Well, at first we thought the fighting at the previous home was because of the other dogs because there was only conflict with our small dog for about 2 days. But, now I'm thinking she has no problem with him because he's small, male and neutered and an incredibly submissive dog. Now, I think she is a mildly aggressive dog who wants to be the alpha dog. I think you are 100% right that she needs to be an only dog with people who can allow her to be the princess she thinks she is. I'll fill out that BRAT form as best I can and we'll see what happens from there.
I wish Lady the best of luck, however the situation works out. But I seriously hope you won't label her even 'mildly' aggressive because of her interactions with Raven. Her behavior is NORMAL dog behavior, of course she wants to be the alpha dog, she is a basenji bitch!!! she is using the means that she has to reinforce her status as the dog with the highest social ranking in the house. If you don't want to keep her, because she doesn't work out with the new dog, don't blame it on her. Just say "a basenji isn't right for my family, we would rather have a lab"
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I wish Lady the best of luck, however the situation works out. But I seriously hope you won't label her even 'mildly' aggressive because of her interactions with Raven. Her behavior is NORMAL dog behavior, of course she wants to be the alpha dog, she is a basenji bitch!!! she is using the means that she has to reinforce her status as the dog with the highest social ranking in the house. If you don't want to keep her, because she doesn't work out with the new dog, don't blame it on her. Just say "a basenji isn't right for my family, we would rather have a lab"
Best of luck to you and Lady, I hope that Raven works out better for your family…and yes, please don't label her as "mildly aggressive"...especially when your first post on the board said that this is how you acquired her:
A friend gave us a beautiful female Basenji named Lady yesterday. Our friend has many dogs and one of them (a Heeler) doesn't get along with Lady. He would pick fights with her contantly. Because the Heeler is a work dog and trained to his owner's liking, she decided she had to part with Miss Lady.
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BRAT does not charge to take in b's.
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My concern with this situation is that the issues these two are having is something that should have come about during a trial period. Were they introduced on neutral ground? Were they in the same space for HOURS before you decided to adopt the lab?
I think that maybe the decision to adopt the lab wasn't thought through as completely as it could have been and it's unfair that as a result Lady will have to go through another major life change. If you're going to add another animal to the household, and this is as big a life change for Lady as it is for you, I think you owed it to her to make sure this other dog could be her friend and integrate into the pack. Maybe your assumption was that all dogs do (should?) get along, no questions asked. Not all humans get along, that is for sure, so why do we expect this of dogs?
I agree with other comments that in no way should Lady be labeled aggresive for how she interacts with Raven.Also Lady's growling when you pick up her possibly suggests that she sees herself as leader of the pack. Basenjis need a very strong alpha human to keep things in order. If she sees herself as ruler of the household she's dealing with an intruder who became part of the family without any of her input and certainly not her approval.
