Need some Sluthing done…

[lvoss]

There are also two sisters who have been breeding in, Ft Worth, TX, I believe. They do have tris and have had off season litters. Not sure if they are selling on spay contracts or basing quality on markings. They were told about the Fanconi test on FB but I am not sure that they have done any.

[Anubis's Mommy]

Ive been doing some searching for Dallas area and haven't turned anything up yet. I spoke with Wagonwheel Basenji's and he is def. not her breeder. He was a very nice guy though and told me if he comes up with any other breeders in the area he'd let me know. He understood me wanting to know more about her lineage and to find out if she's a carrier of Fanconi. Though i already knew he still mentioned doing a test for $65 through the OFA. He seemed pretty knowledgeable.

[Chealsie508]

Good for you to get the fanconi test, it really eases the worry. As far as breeding, I'm not telling you not to but I wouldn't recommend breeding with a dog who hasn't come from a responsible breeder or better yet one you aren't 100% sure of the pedigree. I would consider that irresponsible because even if you clear her healthwise, she could produce puppies with issues present in her geneology. Just consider that.

[lvoss]

Chealsie is right. If you are thinking about breeding then you should find a responsible breeder to mentor you. Many of the inherited diseases in basenjis do not have a DNA test so you need to know and understand the pedigrees you are breeding so you can minimize the risk of producing affected puppies.

[Anubis's Mommy]

Very true. If I cant find her breeder Ill probably end up having her spayed. Is there any tests that can be done for any other issues she could have? I know Basenji's can have glaucoma issues as well as hip problems too.

[Anubis's Mommy]

Im not giving up till ive exhausted all options lol. I really think the person Tanza mentioned may be it though. Hope she or Lisa will remember a name!

[Anubis's Mommy]

@lvoss:

There are also two sisters who have been breeding in, Ft Worth, TX, I believe. They do have tris and have had off season litters. Not sure if they are selling on spay contracts or basing quality on markings. They were told about the Fanconi test on FB but I am not sure that they have done any.

I know of one ft worth breeder who is a friend of mine on Facebook. Amy Jones. She is retiring as she is 50yrs old and has Fibromyalgia(sp) and her litter she had in June has only one pup left. I know her dam is a tri and her sire sis black/white. She's not my girls breeder and she is trying to help me find who she may be.

[tanza]

Glaucoma is not an issue for Basenjis? Not sure were you heard that? However they can have eye issues, biggest is PRA and Basenjis should be checked by a board certified Ophthmologist. Other tests that should be done are hips, elbows, thryoid, patellas before considering breeding. And even if you find the breeder regardless if they tested for Fanconi, you still should have her tested (and the boy too if you have not already). Of course the male should also have these tests.

You should really reconsider breeding…. even if you find the breeder, unless you do parentage DNA to verify the sire and dam. I would never trust a BYB to give correct information and then of course there is the question of registration. AKC registration... and since this person already sold this bitch with no papers (again which is frowned upon) would you really get the papers from them? More then likely they are going to want to charge you money to get them and then it will cost you a higher amount because of the bitches age to register her.

Then you need to ask yourself, why are you breeding? What does she have to offer the breed? And as you found out with the opps litter, not always easy to place puppies and then there is the cost of raising them. As Lisa pointed out you would be better off finding a mentor and if really interested in breeding, starting off with a well bred Basenji whos background is known.

[Anubis's Mommy]

Good points Tanza. I think Ill end up getting her spayed. I would like to breed to help improve the breed…and Ill probably look into a puppy with a good background. Id like to find one relatively local. And true about the oops litter. My boy is of good health so id like to use him for my stud and his background is known. Im interested in finding a female puppy from a good breeder who is relatively close by to breed with. I think Nikita will be spayed in the next few weeks. Ill be calling my vet.

[Anubis's Mommy]

I am aware of the costs to raise a happy healthy litter and Im prepared for it. I have an amazing vet who is pretty familiar with the breed also. Id hate to use a bitch who could make the breed worse not better. So Id like to find a good female to use who would improve the breed.

[tanza]

Has your male been health tested for all the test noted (Fanconi, hips, elbows, eye exam, thyroid, patellas)? Do you know the health status of his siblings?, Sire, Dam? All health tested?

If we go back to your first posts about your male, it was noted that his sire and dam are not in the OFA data base, neither is he and even the breeder you got him from said that the sire and dam were nothing special…. And looking at the pedigree of the sire and dam, they are both from Back Yard Breeders with no health testing. Were his sire and dam DNA tested for Fanconi? And looking at his pictures, I can see a number of conformation faults, not that it would automatically make him undesirable for breeding, but judging by the sire and dam's names, his breeding is not from quality Basenjis. When you consider breeding you really have to be honest about your dog(s) and what they have to offer the breed and what are their faults. The same comments about finding a mentor were expressed when you first joined the forum.

That is the reason that responsible breeders show their dogs or do performance events. Shows what they have to offer the breed... along with their temperaments.

This all may sound "mean", but it is the truth.... Even many finished champions shouldn't be bred and are not...

[Anubis's Mommy]

Oh I dont take it as mean. I was TOLD the parents had been tested but if they aren't in the data base I will be doing an OFA test myself. Ive put an order in for the $65 test for my girl…though shes to be spayed I want to make sure she wont have issues with Fanconi in the future. Ill be putting another order in for one for him.

Just curious about his faults? What do you see? I may look back on past posts and re-read what some people have said to me. I really do want to be responsible about it all. Which is why Im here posting and taking everyone's advice.

[tanza]

I would prefer to do that kind of thing privately. However, go to the standard for the Basenji and compare how he measures up…

[Anubis's Mommy]

Tanza, Ill check that and im also curious what you see. ou.girl.liz09@gmail.com is my email addy. I dont mind showing my addy here.

[tanza]

You can find my email on my website

[lvoss]

Do you really have a good idea of what it costs when things go wrong? Even with a healthy bitch where you have taken excellent care to do everything right, things can go wrong. Rally's breach puppy in her second litter got stuck and required an emergency c-section, $1200, and we lost the puppy, though she had 3 other health pups.

Our singleton not only had to be delivered via c-section his mom rejected for 3 weeks and he needed to be hand raised. That meant feedings every 2 hours. Not so bad with two of us to share the work and only 1 puppy, it is a whole other story if it is just you by yourself and it is an entire litter.

You need to have a nice nest egg for emergency and a plan A, B, C, D, and E if you are planning a litter.

[Anubis's Mommy]

I have a good savings already set aside for any emergency…whether it be pet or myself. I am also self employed so I am home all the time So should I have to be around to care for a pup or mom or both I can be. My vet is always on call and I can call him any time of day as well as my sister who is right down the road from me. I appreciate all the info

[Anubis's Mommy]

If anyone manages to come across the name of my Nikita's suspected breeder let me know Though she's not to be bred I'd still like to speak with them if I can about her and maybe find out who her parents are.

[dcmclcm4]

I wish you luck in finding the breeder.

Saying that a full collar is not show quality sounds like the commercial breeders I would talk to at the dog auctions. For them a full collar supposedly brings more money and also brindles-those African dogs. The tris sell for less than other colors although black was rare at the auctions. Females sell for more than males and especially the ones that have larger litters. These kind of breeders are just plain crazy and after I would talk to them, I would just shake my head in amazement! Of course, no talk about health issues, only money made.

There were some breeders in East Texas but I do not know if they were still breeding in 2011. I would have the following health tests done-Fanconi DNA test, a thorough eye exam done by an opthalmologist-hopefully one who is experienced with Basenjis, a complete thyroid test, and a hip x-ray for hip dysplasia. I would also have the vet check for luxating patellas as there was a line in TX that had these.

I have had more rescues have eye problems and low thyroid than be Fanconi affected and these are/were not elderly dogs either. My rescues are almost always former breeding dogs for the pet stores or internet or their offspring.

Jennifer

[Anubis's Mommy]

Thank you Jennifer! I really hope I can. Id love to know more of her background. Backgrounds of this breed always fascinate me lol. Does kinda sound like a commercial breeder doesnt it? I love my girls markings. She's very beautiful I posted a few pics with this reply.