Thanks for the advice. It's definitely helped!
Fighting against eating…
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He is 5 months old, and we were adding the pumpkin to harden his stool
Although Orijen is an excellent food, I believe the very high protein content tends to contribute to loose stools in some dogs. At least our two dogs' stools have firmed up since we stopped feeding Orijen.
We now feed the following on a rotation basis:
Taste of the Wild (either High Prairie or Wetlands)
Wellness Core or Wellness Core Ocean
Blue Wilderness Salmon
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Thank you for the responses. No other dogs in the household. He is 5 months old, and we were adding the pumpkin to harden his stool, but we can stop that if it could be contributing to the issue.
Also he is getting a cup twice a day. Go down to 3/4 maybe?
That is a lot of food…. 2 cups a day, I would try going to 3/4's of a cup and don't eyeball the food, use an acutal measuring cup if you are not doing so already.
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How is his weight?
Her hips began to show. We put her on cyproheptadine, a cheap antihistamine. Problem solved. She had an appetite, even a few years later when she was undergoing chemo she still ate. .
Shaye is like that - she just doesn't care about eating - is cyproheptadine prescribed or OTC? I am ready to try anything, because her companion, Gemma, is overweight, and I'd love to be able to just put down meals morning and evening to avoid that, but keep Shaye from starving - I swear she really thinks eating is an imposition on her time!:(
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IF nothing else works, the cyproheptadine is an Rx but cheap and effective.
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Just for comparison, we dog-sat my stepdaughter's 75 pound lab and her daily rations were 2 cups of orijen. She's older so eats less, but I would still think 2 cups a day is a lot.
Our basenji Annie is 7 months old and gets about a cup of kibble a day, a chicken wing at lunch, and various scraps. No trouble getting her to eat, though, because she doesn't want our other basenji to get it. Competition is good for picky eaters
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I have no experience with Origen but from comments in various posts on this forum i understand that it is a good food but if his stools are loose when feeding hime origen I would say that it isn't suiting him any longer and suggest you try an alternative.
I agree totally with the other posts about 'tough love' and about the amount you're feeding him. He sounds as though he is a good weight any how so there is no major worry.
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How is his weight?
Initially, my call on not eating is tough love. Give it 10 to 15 mins, take it up. Period. Try again next meal. MOST dogs will eat after a day or 2, most will learn to eat when put down and not get too thin. So I thought most if not all picky eaters created by humans.
But for now, I'd do tough love, or stop the pumpkin and try some parmesan sprinkled on it or tuna juice etc.
I would agree with the above. If he is going through a hormonal period, as puppies do, then the taste of the food may not be agreeable. Yes, do stop the pumpkin. Most dogs do not really like it. If you need to harden the stool, evaluate the food's ingredients. If brown rice or the like is not on the first three or four ingredients, I like to use Cheerios! Nutritious and adds texture, I use them for treats for a food driven overweight students(dogs)! Make him sit and wait also, it is like working for his food too! Evaluate his energy expended vs caloric intake-don't go by the label! Just had to add my 2cents!!!!
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@Buddys:
I would agree with the above. If he is going through a hormonal period, as puppies do, then the taste of the food may not be agreeable. Yes, do stop the pumpkin. Most dogs do not really like it. If you need to harden the stool, evaluate the food's ingredients. If brown rice or the like is not on the first three or four ingredients, I like to use Cheerios! Nutritious and adds texture, I use them for treats for a food driven overweight students(dogs)! Make him sit and wait also, it is like working for his food too! Evaluate his energy expended vs caloric intake-don't go by the label! Just had to add my 2cents!!!!
I disagree with "most dogs do not really like it"…. I have never had a Basenji turn down pumpkin or any root veggie for that matter. (provided they are not sick to begin with)
And noting his age, which I over looked before, he could be teething, so many will go off their food when teething or starting to get adult teeth as the gums can and do get sore.
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Almost all my dogs love pumpkin, except Arwen who won't eat if I add it.
Nor would I feed cherios. Dogs don't really need a lot of carbs, so no reason to add in more grains.
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I understand that everyone has to right to peacefully add anything they want as long as it does not offend. Some replys on a forum are from a totally subjective viewpoint. Some of my comments are as well. You may have never met a Basenji or dog that didn't like pumpkin-well, some people have have known dogs not to like it, like me for instance and my neighbor! I have different breeds come my way all the time- some like it some don't. Just don't be so closed minded to make comments that all Basenji's love root foods!!!!! Just silly not factual really PS: 2 of 3 Vet have approved Cheerios for a treat or temporary addition to a diet. Oh this carb obsessive world we are in:;)
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Almost all my dogs love pumpkin, except Arwen who won't eat if I add it.
Nor would I feed cherios. Dogs don't really need a lot of carbs, so no reason to add in more grains.
Pay closer attention before you respond- I said to look at the list of ingredients and if a 'carb' is not in the top 3-then add one to help out the loose stools…!!!!!!!!!
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@Buddys:
Just don't be so closed minded to make comments that all Basenji's love root foods!!!!!
Just to clear up a point, I said "I" never had a Basenji that didn't like Pumpkin or root veggies for that matter". I did not make a comment that "all Basenji's love root foods".
And as it has been discussed many times here, food/feeding becomes very personal. All we can do is pass along our successes and/or failures. People need to sort it out for themselves and what works for them.
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Kipawa likes his root veggies, but they must be mixed in with his kibble. I have bought pumpkin treats, and he will eat them, but I think it's more because he knows it is a food item.
He does, however, hoover down his sweet potato treats.I wonder if your basenji had to work for his food would it improve his eating habits? We recently acquired a Kibble Nibble toy. His 3/4 cup of food goes in there (it comes apart) and he has to learn to roll it end on end (it is shaped like an egg) to get the food. Maybe if fun is attached to eating he would enjoy food more? Just a thought.
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Cody seems pretty indifferent to his morning and evening meals. Treats? well - that's another matter all together. So, I have resorted to feeding him away from the other two dogs and offering him some pumpkin from my finger. Once he takes a nibble, he'll begin to eat his kibble, although VERY SLOWLY! I just sit with him (for like, 10 minutes) until he's done. Otherwise, he gets distracted and will ignore his food. He's been like this since we got him last September. I don't know if this helps, but maybe it normalizes your reluctant eater a bit? Good luck in your feeding efforts!
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I stopped giving dry dog food some time ago after some health issues and allergies. It's just way too over processed turning meat and veggies into a hard dry cracker. No matter what brand you buy doesn't seem quality. Health issues cleared up.
Buddy gets some frozen raw, cooked chicken, steamed veggies and canned wet. He eats a whole bowl in 1 minute. I vary the canned type (duck, fish or Bison) of Taste of the Wild and add some Petkind tripe (lamb or venison). -
Mine don't like canned pumpkin but love fresh home cooked veges of all kinds, especially sweet potatoes. They adore spaghetti squash.
I too suggest cutting down on food volume, and at his age would wonder if he is losing some baby teeth and eating kibble might be a little uncomfortable right now. Cut back amount, if he misses a meal or two he won't faint, and check his teeth to see if he has loose ones. As someone else said, hormones could be coming into the picture too.
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2 cups might seem like a lot but he is a little bigger than average. 21 pounds at 17 weeks and not at all overweight. If you still think this is too much, I'd be willing to try 3/4 cup twice a day.
Yesterday he ate both meals within ten minutes of the food being set, but unfortunately this morning's meal didn't get eaten. Hopefully he'll get the idea that it isn't going to be there long and stop being stubborn at times!
Edit: didn't notice there was a whole page more of comments than I read! In response to the pumpkin, he actually doesn't mind it.
And in response to hormones/teething stage, would increased shedding also be a symptom of the hormone stage? Dex has been shedding much more than I would expect for a low shedding dog, to the point that I can constantly pull hair off his back or use a zoom groom everyday and still get loose hair. What do you make of this? -
Could be blowing puppy coat, but a bit young for that, keep in mind that with his sire being a new AF import the genetics (in regards to coat and shedding) could be a bit different then US bred Basenjis. IMO, I think that teething could be the problem here at 17wks old. He is most likely starting to cut adult teeth.
I have to laugh at "ate all his food in 10 minutes"… my girls take likely under two minutes to eat, if that.
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Not really sure the exact amount of time it took him. The point was that within the time I decided I'd give him to go and eat he went to his crate and finished it all immediately, as opposed to thinking he could let it sit for as long as he'd like or take breaks midway through the meal. But again, today that wasn't the case and I had to take away his morning meal, so maybe it is the teething.
I figured it would be a bit early for blowing the puppy coat, and am wondering if his skin might be overly dry instead? And that is a good point regarding the genetics of Ojo. Any suggestions of how to reduce this would be appreciated.
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Even if overly dry, shouldn't make that much difference about shedding. You can add fish oil to his food for dryness. Can you tell if he has much of an undercoat?
Basenjis can do strange things when teething…. I have seen "Oh was I supposed to be house trained" to ears that flop back down and tails go straight to hanging between their legs.... and along with that stop eating.
