One other note about chest 'dropping' (and why did dog people start using that term - it sort of conjurs up visions of dog parts falling off in the yard) One the the biggest problems in basenjis fronts right now is those that are too narrow and have a concave area between the front legs. I'm NOT advocating a front like a bull terrier but there needs to be some 'fill' there to have a good front but it's not the fill it is the actual structure of the bones in the shoulder and upper arm that - if not correct- actally pull the 'front' too far forward. A quick visual scan from the side - if the deepest part of the brisket is well behind the legs - the front is too far forward. We need to pay attention to the actual shoulder structure to make sure we are not continuing to double up on dogs with a short upper arm. That limits front reach, and creates a not efficient side gait. So go catch your dogs and do a quick check - measure from the top of the wither to the point of shoulder (the most prominant bone in the chest.) then from that point to the point of the elbow. They should be the same. if they are not - stand up your dog and put your hand between the front legs - if you hand is IN FRONT OF THE FRONT LEGS - great - if your hand is between the front legs the front on your dog is too far foward.
More than you ever wanted to know probably - LOL
I've had ENOUGH
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So sorry to hear about your vet visit.
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Thank you Schouiffy & Rita Jean- Oakley is resting on my favorite blanket and I gave him a little bit of Sprite (his favorite thing! …you cant bring a can anywhere near him! I think he just likes the carbonated bubbles on his tongue) and a little bit of bison and rice. I just feel awful, I hate having him in pain after EVERY appointment... I am going to start titering him from now on... I just have to read up on it a bit more. Everytime he moves he yelps....and because they missed the first time in his left shoulder (where this shot should be given, they just stuck him in the hind muscle instead)- I am so angry! I am going to be getting my second and last basenji next season ( I hope a little red and white female) and I can't go this again, nevermind subject Oakley to this. I tell him all the time I wont let anything happen to him and then this happens....I feel like a bad mommy
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I would also write a letter to the vet or if its a big business to the head of the hospital. This is totally unacceptable.
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Yup, time to get a new Vet… and I too would write to who ever is the owner of the practice. Not a surprise that they made his nails bleed... common practice because they get people that show up once or twice a year to have nails done, so they cut them as short as possible.
Question for you however, I think that in the entire time that I have used a dremel, I have only changed the band, tops 10 times?.... and I was doing up to 5 at a time... the sanding bands really did not wear down very much? I have been using the same band on the two girls since they came home over a year ago.
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You've got to go to a vet that both you and Oakley are comfortable with. Obviously it is time for a change. Give Oakley a kiss for me.
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I buy my bands at lowes and am able to do 5 dogs twice a week for about 2 months before I change them. I use fine grit and the whippets nails grow super fast. What part of MA are you located in? I have several whippet friends in the Berkshire region who may know of better vets.
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I've experienced a bad vet and it's no fun. There are pet stores that trim nails real cheap and they do it so often that they are pretty good. It takes about 5 minutes. Buddy wears his down walking on the pavement but he does have dew claws which I trim myself and did cut one too close once.
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I bought a dremel after I got Oakley and it only came with one band, as a precaution I take off the tip when I am done because I always worry Oakley will accidentally turn it on… well, what I didn't anticipate was he would be able to jump a baby gate and of all things, end up chewing on a little band/tip....but you know what they say about people who assume! No surprise that the dremel wasn't the only thing of interest to him! :rolleyes: Lesson learned, I got a taller baby gate AND put the dremel on top of the refrigerator....He didn't do too much damage to it but it was soggy and so I threw it out. I could go to Lowes, .....hmmm... never thought of that! Needless to say, Oakley has had a piece of cheese and a little sprite (Lord help me later) and he is resting with the occasional squeal. I will be calling tomorrow to see which vet owns the practice. It is literally every time we go to the vets that he ends up in pain and I will not do that to him again.
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I, really, interviewed 5 vets when I moved here, changed vets 3 times. Found one I liked, then he went nuts and disappeared. Really. Anyway, then I found my current vets and have been with them for 15 yrs. I have issues with the older vet pushing things, but I trust and love them with my animals and even though others cheaper, and I drive 30 mins to get there, I love them. I'd be leaving those folks so fast their heads would spin.
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Piece of info, if you have a dremel brand and it ever stops working - call dremel. Mine died earlier this yr, I shippped it to them and they repaired it for free and sent it back within a week. I could have also traded up to a newer model for the difference in price between my old model and the newest model. I had been told about this by my breeder who has sent off many over the past 20 yrs.
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I bought a dremel after I got Oakley and it only came with one band, as a precaution I take off the tip when I am done because I always worry Oakley will accidentally turn it on… well, what I didn't anticipate was he would be able to jump a baby gate and of all things, end up chewing on a little band/tip....but you know what they say about people who assume! No surprise that the dremel wasn't the only thing of interest to him! :rolleyes: Lesson learned, I got a taller baby gate AND put the dremel on top of the refrigerator....He didn't do too much damage to it but it was soggy and so I threw it out. I could go to Lowes, .....hmmm... never thought of that! Needless to say, Oakley has had a piece of cheese and a little sprite (Lord help me later) and he is resting with the occasional squeal. I will be calling tomorrow to see which vet owns the practice. It is literally every time we go to the vets that he ends up in pain and I will not do that to him again.
That makes sense… ggg... I hear that about "eating the band"!!!!
I hope that you can find a great new Vet and I would suggest that since poor Oakley has had such a bad time, you just take him in for his weight and love/treats so that he knows it is not like the "other" scary place.
My old boy, OJ, hated his first vet. To the point that all I had to do is pull into the parking lot and he would start growling. Once I changed Vets, he never growled again and was also very calm and relaxed at the clinic.
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I guess I am very lucky and blessed with my vet clinic. When we moved to El Campo 30 + years ago, our Bs were the first they had seen. Dr. B contacted Texas A&M university Vet School and read up on them. He always listens to me about them. Their general office policy is for techs to handle the dogs in the room, but when I explained that my Bs did better with me doing the holding they tried it with a vet tech as back up and we never had a problem. My big sissy boy Cory, would hide his head under my arm while they worked on him. And as new techs have come on and tried to take my dog Dr. B. would just say no, she handles hers. He kept them current on everything needed while we were showing and they had more exposure. Now that we no longer show, we are on rabies only, and they understand that and do not pressure for other shots. Dr. B helped Cory across the bridge 4 weeks ago and they were so considerate in the whole process, he could not believe it had been 14 years, he had been Cory's vet from the first 8 weeks on. So definitely keep looking for the right vet, even if not a B knowledgeable one, they should be willing to learn. I emailed mine all the info on fanconi to keep in my Bs files and it was appreciated.
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Sometimes a vet who isn't used to Basenjis is better than one who has preconceived ideas. They can then learn from you and Oakley. I've had 2 vets only in several years and neither had any knowledge of Basenjis. Both have learned a great deak from mine - after all they have to start somewhere.
I'm sorry that Oakley's had such a bad experience.
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I tell my vet what I would like for my b…he may not agree with me 100% but at least he is willing to compromise with me. I only have done what my breeder and I feel is right for my b...we always space out the injections a week to make it easier on my b. You don't have to do what they want, a good vet will offer their recommendations and if you decline...they chart as such, no pressure! I hope you find a kind, respectful vet soon!
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We were my vets first bs, and she read tons, called UGA about Arwen's eyes, and has been open to anything I tell them. They now have about 8 others.
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Poor Oakley..I am so sorry you both had to experience such poor "bedside" manner and lack of expertise..
Give him hugs from Pippin and me.
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And always remember, you are the one with the check book….. your opinion counts.. and if it doesn't and they (the Vets or the Staff) puts on the "We know better then you"... then for sure time for a new Vet...
However, keep in mind, so many times they (the Vets) are caught in situations where the owner clearly didn't care or think it was important enough to go to the Vet or can't tell them much about a situation... Sometimes, they are between a rock and a hard place.
But, certainly not in this case... with Oakley
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My old boy, OJ, hated his first vet. To the point that all I had to do is pull into the parking lot and he would start growling. Once I changed Vets, he never growled again and was also very calm and relaxed at the clinic.
Pat, did you not have him collected? For several visits after my boyz were oh so hopeful whenever we pulled into that parking lot. :p
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Pat, did you not have him collected? For several visits after my boyz were oh so hopeful whenever we pulled into that parking lot. :p
LOL… nope never collected!!!! I never told him, even though he finished his championship, but he was not breeding material!!!
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Thanks everyone…. I have been searching around to find someone I am more comfortable with. I am hopeful that at least for now, he is done with injections as he has had his rabies, distemper and lyme. My concern now is that he turned 5 months yesterday and I forgot to ask the vet when I can start frontline. Often times in New England its a big problem. Over my friends house it is common that when the dogs come in the house there is a tick on them.... and because Oakley is black I panic and preen him all the time when he is over there (not like he doesn't love the attention):rolleyes:
